Comments on: Sucked back in already… http://www.mushinnoshin.com/blog/archives/331 "I have nothing to say and I'm saying it" -- John Cage Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:30:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jon http://www.mushinnoshin.com/blog/archives/331#comment-30766 Jon Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:04:54 +0000 http://www.mushinnoshin.com/blog/archives/331#comment-30766 >it’s far from a crusade And that's sort of the point I've been trying to get across. I don't have a problem with libertarians supporting him, donating, voting, whatever. What I have had a problem with is: 1) The way his right wing culitists (*cough* Dumas) apologize for, or worse, outright defend and attempt to "libertarianize" those things on which he's wrong. 2) The LP basically handing him the keys to the kingdom, combined with the fact that doing so is just the latest step in moving the LP firmly into paleo territory. And I'm supposed to believe that if his campaign brings new hordes into the LP who agree with him on those issues, the slide will *reverse*? Ron Paul is a Republican running as an old-right Republican. If people could have been happy with that and been content to help him succeed *on those terms*, there wouldn't have been a problem. But by trying to turn him into the patron saint of liberty, his cultists practically *demanded* equal and opposite response from the left. >it’s far from a crusade

And that’s sort of the point I’ve been trying to get across. I don’t have a problem with libertarians supporting him, donating, voting, whatever. What I have had a problem with is:

1) The way his right wing culitists (*cough* Dumas) apologize for, or worse, outright defend and attempt to “libertarianize” those things on which he’s wrong.

2) The LP basically handing him the keys to the kingdom, combined with the fact that doing so is just the latest step in moving the LP firmly into paleo territory. And I’m supposed to believe that if his campaign brings new hordes into the LP who agree with him on those issues, the slide will *reverse*?

Ron Paul is a Republican running as an old-right Republican. If people could have been happy with that and been content to help him succeed *on those terms*, there wouldn’t have been a problem. But by trying to turn him into the patron saint of liberty, his cultists practically *demanded* equal and opposite response from the left.

]]> By: Steve Trinward http://www.mushinnoshin.com/blog/archives/331#comment-30763 Steve Trinward Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:24:35 +0000 http://www.mushinnoshin.com/blog/archives/331#comment-30763 Jon - I am almost there myself, but then I was never backing Paul for any but the strategic purpose. I still think you overreact to each of the negatives as individual issues, but the weight is getting heaver, and the numbers are still being suppressed effectively (due to the divide and be conquered ranks from LP, GP, no-party, no-voters, et alia) . I'll probably still vote Paul some time in the next week or so, but it's far from a crusade Jon - I am almost there myself, but then I was never backing Paul for any but the strategic purpose. I still think you overreact to each of the negatives as individual issues, but the weight is getting heaver, and the numbers are still being suppressed effectively (due to the divide and be conquered ranks from LP, GP, no-party, no-voters, et alia) . I’ll probably still vote Paul some time in the next week or so, but it’s far from a crusade

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